Some people are born extroverts and don't have a problem being the center of attention. Others, like me, were born extroverts, but stuttering suppressed their social life. After getting rid of my baggage, my life started making more sense. Maybe the people you saw were natural extroverts. I understand your point about David Goggins. Some people just have the confidence that they CAN accomplish more. They CAN do something extraordinary, not follow the common path. Let's call these people visionaries. Visionaries aren't content with just wasting time and eating Cheetos on the coach. Goggins is a visionary. For him, 1 mile is laughable exercise - the common man can do that. He is on another level, he wants to accomplish something truly significant. That's why he seems crazy or "wanting to prove something" to other people. I agree that confidence is subjective. For the man that has no dreams (the Cheetos man), having an average job and a girlfriend might be the height of his life. He puts that ceiling on himself. That's why it is subjective. Goggings, Elon Musk, Bezos don't put ceilings on themselves. That's why if Elon Musk all of the sudden began to earn 100,000 dollars per year, he would go insane. He would go into depression. He thinks of himself as beneath that amount of money. He "deserves" more. The existence of visionaries and "followers" is an integral part of society. You are right about dissolving. If you asked me if there was one defining moment, where I said "I finally have conquered my stuttering after this" - no. That didn't happen. I stopped thinking about it and it dissolved on its own. I don't create conditions to be fluent. Quite the opposite, I don't demand perfection. I still stutter mildly. I learned to talk more passionately and overall be a better communicator. That's an important factor that definitely helped me push my speech even further to the "unreachable fluency". The elephant example was my life. I was sure that I couldn't hold a presentation without embarrassing myself. It took me a lot of successful tries to break that notion. I think that stutterers need to first prioritize doing the healthy habits and avoiding the bad, before putting any labels on themselves.