Thanks for the elaboration. It's clear now where I think the flaw is located. So, to start with - I'm not afraid. I know a lot of people are, though, and that's very important to remember (we certainly agree on that much, I'd say). It's not a nice feeling to run around with, so it's definitely a part of being a stutterer that we try to get rid of a fearful mindset. However - there's no known mechanism that works in such a way that us simply reducing our fear will make the stutter go away. It's not our goal to simply reduce fear and then everything will be better. A stutter needs to be approached directly as a stutter. This means hopefully using various known treatments for the stutter itself, such that we can more comfortably navigate the various cases of stuttering that we encounter in our lives. We might notice here that if we can get a better handle on the stutter on its own, a welcome addition might be that our fear lessens, simply because we feel better prepared. But that would be the reverse of the mechanism you suggest. To put it differently, speaking in a manner that presents "fear" in one single fashion in one single mechanism doesn't seem terribly helpful. We need to be able to separate things, such that we can figure out what each individual person might experience or not, and how their stutter management might look. I agree fluency shouldn't be a goal. But I don't agree that we just have to "not be afraid and push through". This has the implication that if we still feel bad about stuttering or don't see the improvements we were promised, _it's because we weren't good enough at not being afraid and not good enough at pushing through_. That's unfair. Do you see what I mean?