I have been told by my speech therapist that that was the case ie starfish was started by former McGuire participants. But the interesting thing is that the cost of the course. Starfish project has kept the cost of the course the same price for the last 25 years. I am not sure if the same goes for McGuire program too, but their course are much more expensive, generally. My idea is to finish the Starfish project and based on what I get from it, I will then decide whether I should benefit from the McGuire program.