as a woman, I don't know if this is a young guy thing, or a guy thing or what... but its horrible the way people on here treat women as commodities, something to be got, to be had and then wonder why they can't get into relationships. Its shallow and stupid no woman who cares about herself in anyway just wants to be another conquest... or toy to fulfill a guys needs. I get the "All guys want is sex" crap but fuck man, this shit is so depressing. "But it will never help you out at a competitive bar or club." Like fuck off dude, women and girls are not a game to be played. You are dick, ever thought maybe that's why no girl likes you? Consider it. I personally wouldn't touch a dude who talked the way OP does with a long pole. OP, you should be on r/tindernightmares. EDIT: you can downvote me all you want because that's typical of incels. Its great to disagree with you. Except OP, he is a brat, but he's sweetie, unlike many of your ilk. downvote away lol.