You make valid points. I'm enjoying this discussion. To elaborate on what I previously mentioned about your speech improving as an indirect result when you improve your quality of life. Increasing your awareness (developing mindfulness), having great control over your subconscious mind, focusing extensively on your breathing, meditating, expressing gratitude etc. can all improve your quality of life dramatically. Depends to what degree you're willing to practice these things. What I can tell you is, over time, you'll become a smooth/fluent speaker when you adopt these practices and do them full-time. You want to talk about a fulfilled life - but I can't find any mention I've made about fulfilment. The simplest way to describe this is we're in control of our outcomes. If people are choosing to put no work into their speech, their outcomes will reflect that. Of course I've met people who hardly feel victimised by their speech. But they've chosen to accept that stuttering will be with them for the rest of their life. They've settled. Never settle! If others wish to put in no work, and they've found a way to be happy, that's great. All the best to them. They better not be complaining when their speech goes haywire - since they made that choice. I'm trying to get people to do what they feel is impossible. I'm giving people the opportunity to believe they can change their circumstances. I believe in the people that have no belief in themselves to create positive change. Everybody has the capability to eliminate/overcome their stutter and become smooth speakers - or become a "Michael Jordan". However, people can do whatever they want. Like I said before - you get back what you put out. Those who overcome adversity worked hard to do so. I care more about what people can do! Rather than cater to scenarios that suggest negative outcomes. We have a tendency to focus more on the negatives than the positives. It's dwelling on the negatives that keeps you from progressing. To close, have you tried any of the practices I recommend for long periods of time? The mind is an extremely powerful tool that can be used to our advantage. It's unwise to underestimate its potential.